How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

Wherever I go, I find water and stones.

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥

There is my Lord self-revealed, and the scent of sandal and flowers dwells in those deeps.

When you visit a store, do you go to shop or buy?

Let’s see what Gurbani has about Ramanandacharya’s views.

Kabeer: O worthless mortal, do not lose the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Sriraag / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 92

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We can see that great saints like Kabir and Ravidas etc… descended from the Ramananda sampradaya which is still the largest ascetic order in India.

There is a reason why I mention ROOTED and thus NOT implying that it belongs to one of the numerous sects in Sanatana Dharma like Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Smartism etc…

You are totally pervading and permeating in all.

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The Sant Sampraday of Sikh panth integrates the warrior spirit of the Nihangs and Khalsa, the service of Seva panth and the renunciation of Udasi/Nirmala saints.

As long as the mind is filled with the desire for heaven,

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧

What factors contributed to The Beatles' bitterness?

The views of Kabir are very much in parallel to the Advaita philosophy and it is obvious that as the disciple of Ramanandacharya he will carry forward with his chosen NIRGUN BHAKTI.

ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥

ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥

Can you make a fake K-pop group? It can be with any idols.

If God be within the mosque, then to whom does this world belong?

The Word of the Guru's Shabad eradicates the karma of millions of past actions. ||3||1||

Kaashi and Magahar - I consider them the same.

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ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥

I went to God's place, and worshipped Him there.

Where should I go? My home is filled with bliss.

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ਮਰਨੁ ਭਇਆ ਮਗਹਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਸੀ ॥੩॥

Says Kabeer, unto whom should I tell this?

Says Kabeer, this is what I say:

I just cannot wake up early, even if I sleep on time. What should I do?

ਅਬ ਕਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਕਵਨ ਗਤਿ ਮੋਰੀ ॥

ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਮਨਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੀ ਆਸ ॥

ਤਜੀ ਲੇ ਬਨਾਰਸ ਮਤਿ ਭਈ ਥੋਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

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Here ਰਾਮੈ is Rama and not just lord. Kabir died chanting the name of Rama DESPITE him not finding any result of penances done in holy cities in his previous birth. Another example to show how much Kabir valued personal devotion to Rama in his own NIRGUN style.

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

— Kabir, III.2, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

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Kabir, Ravidas and ultimately the NINE SIKH GURUS are a product of this very Sant Sampraday founded by Ramanandacharya!

Guru Nanak (right) and Bhai Mardana (foreground) with Bhagat Kabir (left). This painting is found in the B-40 Janamsakhi, written and painted in 1733. The painting was made by Alam Chand Raj

Ravidas (a chamar shoemaker)

Can it be true that people know your name, not your story, they’ve heard what you’ve done, but not what you’ve been through, so take their opinions of you with a grain of salt?

As mentioned above Guru Arjan Dev was talking from the perspective Sant Kabir whose views we have discussed much earlier here. We know that Sant Kabir continuing in the Ramanandi Sampradaya went further away from the mainstream ritualistic Hinduism and was journeying more towards a SEAMLESS Dharma.

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥

For a superficial McSikh who is interested only in separation and not enlightenment the views of Kabir can be easily shown as a denouncement of Hindu practices.

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Gauree, Kabeer Jee, Panch-Padas:

Bhakti movement began in South (Tamil Nadu to be precise) and slowly spread to Northern parts of India. This movement was extremely popular because of its simple fundamentals which could be understood by even commonfolk. Vaishnavism, Shaivism etc… were already connecting with commonfolk from a long time and this Bhakti movement reinforced it by making the devotee feel a personal connection with the deity.

ਕੈਸੇ ਬੂਝੈ ਜਬ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

What is one thing nice you did for someone today or something they did for you?

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Ramanandacharya’s teachings were centered on pure and personal connection with the God Rama and didn’t believe in any kind of formal ritualism. He used the common vernacular language instead of Sanskrit so that everyone could understand.

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

What qualities do single women typically look for in a man? Is it a common preference for women to want a man who earns more than they do?

From where did the word Maya come? Isn’t it a typical Vedantic concept discussed profoundly in Advaita? It definitely isn’t a concept pioneered by Kabir or even his teacher Ramanandacharya! It is ultimately from Sanatana Dharma!

If Ram be within the image which you find upon your pilgrimage,

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥

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Raamaanand Jee, First House:

NOW…

Where millions of Vishnus bow their heads, where millions of Brahmas are reading the Vedas,

Kabir (a weaver)

How can people understand You, when they are entranced by Maya? ||1|| Pause ||

Now here in this verse

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਾਹਿ ॥

Recklessly they display boundless pride while explaining their own aims, they kill cows.

Sikhism is a NIRGUN path descending from the Sant Sampraday of Ramanandacharya and traces its ideas to VEDANTA!

Without looking into one's heart, how can one reach paradise?

I ground up sandalwood, along with several fragrant oils.

The divergence of Kabir’s views from Vedanta is seen in the fact that he fully opposed religious symbolism of ALL KINDS and not just IDOLS.

ਕਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਜ ਸਿਵ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ॥

ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥

The young and the old drink milk pudding, but these fools eat the cow's body.

Because in my previous life, I did not practice penance and intense meditation. ||1||

So in the same spirit Kabir finds pilgrimages to holy cities futile as his mind is fixated on Rama!

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ is Brahm i.e the Brahman of vedanta but it gets interpreted as an all-pervading lord god.

At the time of my death, I moved to Magahar. ||2||

ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥

My consciousness does not go out wandering. My mind has become crippled. ||1|| Pause ||

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

— Kabir, II.57, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

Hari is in the East, Allah is in the West.

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥

How can they kill the mother, whose milk they drink like that of a wet nurse?

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ ॥੫॥੧੫॥

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He who has highest Bhakti of Deva (God), just like his Deva, so for his Guru (teacher),

For him Dharma was beyond everything physical including the desire for heaven because was fully into the NIRGUN . The last verse shows that according to him the company of the enlightened Sadhus is heaven which is again a typical teaching of Sanatana Dharma.

ਸਗਲ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਿਵ ਪੁਰੀ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥

Shvetashvatara Upanishad (6.23)

He accepted even women (Sursuri and Padywati) as disciples. Bhagat Pipa and Dhanna were Rajput and Jat who were also his disciples.

One day, a desire welled up in my mind.

You have cut through all my confusion and doubt.

Now tell me, Lord, what will my condition be?

All the men and women of the world are His living forms.

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

— Kabir, Ramaini 1, Translated by David Lorenzen

There the streams of light flow in all directions, few are the men who can cross to that shore!

Now that my time to die has come, I have come to dwell at Magahar! ||3||

I am like a fish out of water,

These morons know nothing, they wander about in ignorance,

There, where millions of Krishnas stand with hands folded,

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਰਸ ਤਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਕਾਸੀ ॥

ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||

Sain (a barber)

ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਹੋਇ ਨਹੀ ਚਰਨ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੩॥

ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥

Sikhism is fundamentally rooted in BHAKTI tradition and thus ultimately in Sanatana Dharma. There is no doubt about it despite what modern McSikh acrobatics try to claim otherwise

Here ਨਿਰਗੁਣ is Nirgun and not just lord. This is just another example to show that Kabir himself continued in the NIRGUN BHAKTI path.

My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||

Where the demi-gods and the munis are unnumbered, where millions of Saraswatis, goddess of music play the vina,

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

Says Kabeer, the Guru and Ganaysha and Shiva all know

Let’s look at the most used verse by McSikhs to show that Sikhs are neither Hindus nor Muslims.

यस्य देवे परा भक्तिः यथा देवे तथा गुरौ । तस्यैते कथिता ह्यर्थाः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मनः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति ।

I left Benares - I had little common sense. ||1|| Pause ||

Meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master. ||5||3||

But we have actually seen how much Kabir is also rooted in the Vedantic concept of “supreme realization” but in a non-mainstream path.

Ramananda accepted disciples without discriminating against anyone by gender, class or caste and they included even people from humble origins like

I am a sacrifice to You, O my True Guru.

CONCLUSION:

That God showed me the Guru, within my own mind. ||1||

ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2||

I wasted my whole life in the city of Shiva;

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠੈ ਆਹਿ ॥੪॥੧੦॥

Sant Kabir was staunchly against cow slaughter.

Actually, this part of the Ang 326 is widely used by McSikhs to show that Sikhism considers Hindu pilgrimages as useless and thus drives home the point again that the “religion” has got NOTHING to do with Hinduism.

ਕਾਸੀ ਮਗਹਰ ਸਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥

Where spring, the lord of seasons reigneth, there the unstruck music sounds of itself,

ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥

ਪੂਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਹਉ ਤਪ ਕਾ ਹੀਨਾ ॥੧॥

ਜਿਉ ਜਲ ਛੋਡਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਭਇਓ ਮੀਨਾ ॥

ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥

ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥

Sadhna (a Muslim butcher) and

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ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥

I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers.

That Kabeer died chanting the Lord's Name. ||5||15||

Kabir is the child of Allah and of Ram: He is my Guru, He is my Pir.

ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥

We can understand that Kabir despite being in favor of formless worship was very much embedded in the Dharmik fold but always preached in the spirit of the transcendental nature of Brahman to the point that HE LOST THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HINDU AND MUSLIM.

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He does not dwell at the Lord's Feet. ||3||

ਗਉੜੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ॥

For many years, I practiced penance and intense meditation at Kaashi;

ਓਛੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਕੈਸੇ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰੀ ॥੪॥

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

To him who is high-minded, these teachings will be illuminating.

ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਰੋਸੁ ॥

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The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, is heaven. ||4||10||

ਮਰਤੀ ਬਾਰ ਮਗਹਰਿ ਉਠਿ ਆਇਆ ॥੨॥

I would go there, only if the Lord were not here. ||2||

We have searched the turaki Dharam (Turk's religion, Islam), these teachers throw many thunderbolts,

Look within your heart, for there you will find both Karim and Ram;

Where millions of Shivas are lost in contemplation, where millions of Indras dwell in the sky,

With inadequate devotion, how can anyone swim across? ||4||

From Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 1195

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 326

I have searched through all the Vedas and the Puraanas.

I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

Let's look at the views of Sant Kabir

Ramarchan Paddati gives more info about his teachings.

ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥

Again we see that the originator of this Sant Sampraday himself talks about Brahman even in Gurbani.

then who is there to know what happens without?

The influence of Kabir is significant on Sikhism. The following Bani from Ang 1136 is attributed to GURU ARJAN DEV but if you observe at the end you can see that he was talking in the spirit of Sant Kabir.

Ramanandacharya was a 14th-century Hindu Vaishnava devotional poet saint who amalgamated Advaita with Vaishnava Bhakti. He was the pioneer in validating NIRGUN and SAGUN Bhakti as parallel paths.

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ